Navionics Charts on compact flash cards come with dire warnings not to put the cards into readers and connect them to a pc. Has anyone tried it.and what happened?Were they rendered useless as Navionics suggest that they would be?.Just curiousOnly last week I was reading a posting on this very subject. As I use Navionics it was the reason which drew me to the post.Someone did exactly as you say & the outcome was again as you suggest. They became corrupt. At least that is what the article said and the poster was not impressed, but I guess its there way of protecting copyright.
The cards can corrupt even while in the gps as mine did.It was working fine untill i noticed that while en route half of the chart was blanc.When i tried to forward it to the blanc area the whole screen went blanc.The point is that you're buying something or the right to use it and then because of limited life of storage means you get the wrong end of the stick.Shouldn't we at least have the right to bring it back to the dealer and they replace the chart at the cost of the storage means? Why pay again for the same right of use?
Navionics Charts on compact flash cards come with dire warnings not to put the cards into readers and connect them to a pc. Dont even bother trying it. Navionics encrypt their data. I suspect that they have also screwed with the hardware wiring and/or the format of their proprietary reader so that it would present a challenge to people trying to read their charts.Sneaky.You can use a standard CF card in a Raymarine device for transferring waypoints and application upgrades so there must be compatibility at the hardware layer.The trouble with pugging in to windows based machines is the hardware abstaction layer of the OS that attempts to go and do things to media automagically without the users intervention. If I was trying to do this ( not that I ever would you understand ) I'd start investigating by copying a card with an embedded device that didn't go anywhere near any Windows or DOS functionality.Using a CF signal analyser might be a good step too.:):).
Reading such learned posts above - I shall not say that I have read Navionics cards in standard readers. I shall be called a liar? CF cards I have no idea about as I use SD / MMC. But there is no way you can use the info on the cards as it is protected by serious encryption.To original poster - Forget trying to use navionics in any plotting other than plotters that state clearly Navionics. Seaclear, openCPN etc.
Will never read or use them.Yes it is necessary to use the proprietary Navionics Reader to be able to use the cards with Navionics compatible software. The cards can corrupt even while in the gps as mine did.It was working fine untill i noticed that while en route half of the chart was blanc.When i tried to forward it to the blanc area the whole screen went blanc.The point is that you're buying something or the right to use it and then because of limited life of storage means you get the wrong end of the stick.Shouldn't we at least have the right to bring it back to the dealer and they replace the chart at the cost of the storage means?
Why pay again for the same right of use?Despite the warnings, following current legislation the customer has a right to have the item fixed or replaced under warranty. The copy protection is between the burned in serial number of the CF card and the navionics charts software. (my guess and nice winter project to find out)the navionics reader has hardware encryption to encript the charts.back to topic;i have inserted those navionics CF cards in normal card readers without any problems. You just see the files.
The only thing is you can't do much with them as that cheap ebay card reader is missing the encryption the original navionics reader has.i also have that £45 plus navionics card reader. Somebody once did tell me that there is a programme around called Goldview2.( something) that the trade use.along with a card reader/writer called Dazzle 6 in 1 to distribute these charts.copying them onto freshly formatted compact flash cards to order.and I just did wonder if anybody else had heard of these.Interesting replies you have given me, guys.much food for thought.and I thank you all.but maybe this thread is not yet at the end of its run quite yet.Doubt it very nuch.I cannot say too much about this as I don;t want to upset the bean counters out there. But:The factory ID of the card is embedded into the encryption.
Second there is a file on the card that carries encryption that shows zero bits. But in fact is a couple of hundred bits in size. These needed to get proprietary reader to read. The files must be carried on the same card for rest of their life!It is possible to copy extra chart files onto an already encrypted old original card.
It works sometimes. AFTER a small file has a couple of lines altered in the code.Navionics is different from various other chart cards ie Nauticpath. Where you can in fact cut files from the card. And then put back to the original same card and it will still work.
BUT you must never alter, format or play with the card in anyway. Navionics is one of the few encryptions that has never been fully cracked. Regardless of what you may hear. Somebody once did tell me that there is a programme around called Goldview2.( something) that the trade use.along with a card reader/writer called Dazzle 6 in 1 to distribute these charts.copying them onto freshly formatted compact flash cards to order.and I just did wonder if anybody else had heard of these.Interesting replies you have given me, guys.much food for thought.and I thank you all.but maybe this thread is not yet at the end of its run quite yet.Dealers can no longer programme charts, they are ordered pre-programmed directly from navionics now.
QUOTEIf what WALLY above says is true.(and why should we think it not to be true).and the dealers have been taken out of the loop.presumably for reasons of 'anti-piracy paranoia'.and the dealers get all their charts directly from Navionics.with all the associated time delays.How do I know that the particular compact flash card I buy has not been lying on a dealers shelf for months if not years? They are after all never supplied with 'corrections up to date till' notices.and shouldn`t we as users be expecting some kind of date information attached to the charts?er.or have I just missed it?/QUOTEThis can happen, last Jan, I purchased a bundled plotter and charts. I was suspicious of the chart date since it came with an expired update offer, also an NM I knew about wasn't implemented. There is however, a date code on the card, an e-mail to Navionics confirmed that my card had been superceded. The supplier, MES, replaced it without hesitation.Not ideal, but you can check. 24G MMC card - Date Sep2004. Actually contains three chart files:-5G392XL embedded dates 8/11/2003 and 9/9/20045G39xXL embedded dates 28/6/2003 and 31/5/20045G394XL embedded dates 8/11/2003 and 27/5/2004and the card was created 10/3/2005.The 5G392 chart is the English Channel and if my reading of the source chart information is correct there are some scarily old dates.
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Although LAND'S END TO FALMOUTH seems to be dated 20040101. Don't have that chart so can't say if this is the edition date or NM date.More and more I'm thinking that real charts scanned is the way to go with the likes of SeaClear or Belfield. At least you know where you stand. Well it does at least get round the issue of having to buy duplicate plotter charts and real ones, but crown copyright is better protected legally than Joe Public's copyright and the lawyers at UKHO do follow up cases where they know something has been copied. Might noty matter in Paddyland I suppose but it does here.All this chat has made me curious. My Navionics chart for the plotter is on a Scandisk CF card with no mention of Navionics on it - so making me wonder if it's official.
Worryingly, in view of a comment above, I have just done a dump of the waypoints to the card whilst I updated the op system on the C80. Will I now have problems?Somewhere out in the www, someone will have cracked the encryption of the Navionics charts just for the sake of doing so.
And as they did for the CMap that every long distance sailor seems to have. I can't see why scanning a chart that I have on the chart table and putting it on a PC where I can plot my position is a problem. I have a reciept for the chart and I'm not trying to sell it on.For the record I'm not trying to knock Navionics. They have an unenviable task. Take this as an example. I have bought Belfield which contains charts from the UK Hydrographic Office as at July 2009.
I'm interested in Scottish waters so I've downloaded the NMs for Scotland since then. From Week 28 to Week 48 it amounts to 52 NMs plus there are 8 new chart editions. In fact since July the UKHO have issued close on 3000 NMs. Add to those the NMs issued by other Hydrographic Offices round the world and you see the task that Navionics have to keep charts up-to-date.I started looking at Navionics because there is an old Furuno plotter on board. It uses the PCMCIA style cards with the older Classic format charts. Since this format is no longer supported by Navionics I wanted to see if I could update the charts myself. From there it was only a short step to look at Gold format for my own amusement (and the fact there is so much cr.p on TV these days).
In fact if you turn off most of the vector layers you can end up close to the Classic look. Technically copying ( scanning ) any published item subject to Copyright is illegal. But it is generally accepted that copying to create a 'working' copy for personal use of owner of original item is ignored.I've been stopped for having own copies of DVD's, CD's and I've replied to C&E that originals are at home. What they see are 'working copies' that I use to save the originals. Reply is that they have option to ask me to prove ownership of originals.Problem comes when copies are passed on to a 'friend'.
And that when found can lead to authors getting a bit pee'd off!!Back to navionics. I do know people that can create 'working copies' but based on their comments - Navionics encryption is not broken. They have to work with it and around it.Interesting that someone says they have a Scandisk CF with navionics on. Appears that someone has pasted onto a non-navionics card.
Maybe the old CF card type was easier to do this?When you look on-line - you find many sites that have navionics charts and viewers. But out of interest I've tried some and haven't got any to work. I have the platinum sd card and this requires periodically removing from the plotter and plugging into a pc to get the chart updates with no special reader required but the card does still carry the warnings about potentially damaging the data if abused.
I was concerned about corruption by the plotter or pc accidentally wiping out my data so did some research, its not possible to make a working copy as the data is encrypted with a software key which is linked to the hardwired serial number of the sd card, sd stands for secure digital for precisely these type of applications. However I was able to put the write protect switch on and make an image backup to the pc without damaging the sd card. Restoring the image to a fresh sd card does not make a fully working card and as far as I can tell theres no way of spoofing an sd card serial number to get round this so at best the image might be useful to restore the card back to an earlier version should an online update ever corrupt or disable the data. On the version of CPN that I use, there is an option in the on-screen toolbar to hide/display text. The toolbar box has an 'A+' in it and the mouseover 'shown ENC text'.I'd like to load mine on my laptop to see what, if anything, I can do with them with Open CPN & Sea Clear2 (both free), which I have loaded on the laptop. Open CPN I have working with CM93 chart data but I can't 'see' any land data on them (names of countries, towns, etc.). I have no idea if this is normal or if I have corrupt CM93 data or what.David.
UPDATE: I spoke with a lady today representing the Enterprise Damage Recovery Unit. I got all the information I could from her.Total damage amount, and all of the reference numbers I could get. When I asked her who I would need to speak to about disputing the claim she told me in no uncertain terms that 'there is no disputing the claim', and that there was 'no way to dispute the claim'.I find it SHOCKINGLY hard to believe that there is no way to dispute a claim. I am sure that my attorney will find a way! Original review posted by user Feb 20, 2013.
So back in December I rented a car for a holiday trip. There was the usual issues when picking up a rental but nothing out of the ordinary.While returning home the day before returning the car a semi truck kicked up a rock and chipped the windshield. When returning the car I was forthcoming with that information. I had agreed to put up a $100 deposit and forgo the offered insurance. When I returned the car the man at the office said they would keep my deposit and that would cover the cost of the windshield in the car.I was bothered by the fact they charged me at all but I figured that was what I get for not getting their 'Insurance'.
I recently received notification that they expect me to pay over $300 for the windshield! I think it is ridiculous that I would be expected to pay for damages that were totally out of my control! I didn't wreck the car, smoke in it, or anything else like that.I even vacuumed it before I returned it! Not to mention I was honest about it all. This is how a company treats an honest person!?I suppose that says a lot about them. What ever happened to honest business?Product or Service Mentioned.
Call your bank and dispute the charges. I would say it was theft and have them refund the money.If that doesn't work get an attorney or take them to small claims.If it helps you may need to work your way up the ladder of management until you find someone who will help. The hierarchy at Enterprise is: Assistant Manager Station Manager Branch Manager Area Manager Regional / VP.Always ask to speak to a Branch or Area manager, these are the people who can actually help. If that doesn't work try going to their boss.
Dougrozet, I have a pretty similar case or even worse. There is no way out.There are no normal people there, only thiefs.My story is longer.
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When I got my old car flooded by Sandy and my grandma was dying in the hospital, I needed to rent a car. I found one at the Enterprise closest to my location in Brooklyn, NY. It was a real bad day (raining cats and dogs the whole day).When I picked the car, it was all wet outside and dirty inside, the car was showed to me in dark garage for inspection. I was asked to check the car for damages while the agent was quickly vacuuming the car inside. I've been told to check all the bumpers carefully for damages. It was kind of dark, I made a circle checking the car for damages and didn't find anything.Then I was asked by the agent if I would like to pay $15 extra for insurance.
Since I am a very careful driver with no accidents for the past 23 years, of course I rejected to pay for it. This is where all problems started.The next day, when the weather was just perfect I took the rental car to the carwash and went to a dealership in New Jersey, bought a new car and was really happy.
I couldn't come to a nice dealarship driving a dirty car.I was nice and invested my own money and cleaned the rental car. The dealer told me I can drop my rental car in another location which was 5 mins away.
When I returned the car to the man at the office, he was checking the car and noticed a small dent on the roof of the car. It was hardly noticeable, but the guy said he needed to report it.I told him that I wasn't responsible for the dent, and only noticed it when he shown it to me when he was.
After a small conversation he recommended that I go back to the original office in Brooklyn and talk to the agents there. I did exactly what I have been told and explained the situation and was assured by the agents 'not to worry about it': the dent was on the roof and wasn't caused by an accident. Everything was fine for about 2 weeks and then I got a call from a nasty person from Recovery Services.She said there is a claim regarding damages on the rental car. I told her the whole story and she said it is my responsibility once I signed the paperwork at the rental office. While I was on the phone I remembered that there was rust on the top of dent and it could not have happened in the course of one day and if the car was covered by water, there was no way for me to notice that small dent less than 5 inches. I tried to explain that to her again and again on multiple calls, but it was like talking to a wall.She kept repeating that since I signed the paperwork, I had to pay $475 for damages. I was shocked, because the small dent wouldn't cost more than $100 to fix, and If I wasn't responsible for the damage, I shouldn't be paying for it.
So she gave me 10 days to pay or send to collections. Today I went back to the Brooklyn office to speak with the assistant manager there and explain everything over and over again.He revealed that in New York, if the dent is smaller than 5 inches, the rental agency shouldn't count it as a dent, but he wasn't sure if that policy applies in NJ. Long story short, he sent me back to same recovery services folks. At this point, you are absolutelly right that there was 'no way to dispute the claim'. It is hard to believe that this company is doing dirty business but there should be a way to stop all that.I guess we need to scream out to more people and make them aware of our situation so it doesn't happen to them. If I hadn't taken the rental car to the carwash, the dent there wouldn't have been noticed. DougrozetWe’ve taken note of your concern and would like to have the opportunity to look into this for you.
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Please send us a detailed email to careatenterprise.com including the rental location information, your contact information, rental agreement or reservation number and any further information regarding your experience with us.When emailing, please list Reference Number 160 in the subject line. We look forward to hearing from you.Respectfully,CarolSocial MediaEnterprise Rent-A-Car.
@. bI have one right now. Same thing.I wouldnt even have the rental car if my car wasnt under recall. Ford is paying the rental.Enterprise is wanting me to pay $1,000 for a small crack at my insurance repairs for free they won't let me go through my insurance and I don't understand why I'm still waiting on a call back from corporate office. Its been a very bad day i will never ever do business with Enterprise again if somebody does not call me back and make this right but it's not my fault that a rock flew up and hit the windshield and I was told that I didn't have to get their insurance because my insurance covers it.